Year after year i see where if you are a fan or member of a single A school in Track or XC you get the shaft from milestat, i am glad i pulled my money b/c it is a waste, i have see some great performaces from the "Little Schools" and we get a sentence or two, but if you are AAA or a Blacksburg/Lynchburg area school, they are all over it, I know you have more subcribers from the Large Schools but be fair across the board
- Lots of stuff on milestat is from parents and others posting pictures and videos for Brandon. He also lives in Richmond which is where the AAA meet is located. If I had to choose between three meets and one was a mile from my house. I think I might choose that one. I am a single A parent and a AA coach and do wish there were more videos posted and more results but in lots of cases it is the meet directors and coaches from lots of these schools who don't send in results from meets. I am extremely proud of my son who was a double state medalist at the single A meet but if I had to choose between filming him and Ahmed Bile then sadly for the website I think you should film Ahmed.
It has improved with results being sent in better from meets around the state but one person can only be in one place at a time. Brandon has been requesting for a few weeks for someone to work the state meet in Radford taking pictures for him. My wife and family were there but without the skill or camera to do this task. Was there nobody willing to do this? Since I couldn't be there since I was in Harrisonburg and my wife took some poor photos we can't help, but then neither can we complain.
I am quite willing to pay my money for the coverage throughout the year.
Yes i agree brandon can only be in one spot, but atleast give credit where it was due, take the website here it is monday night and he atleast listed the top 3 in each AA and AAA all we got is the preformance list link, and i know that the results were there on sat night by the time we got back from Radford. I follow XC and Track, and i know every single A school from Altavista to Clarke County have shown that they are great Teams with Great Athletes, Strausburg has girls that can run circles around alot of Those Big Schools. I am just saying for me, information that gets reported is not worth the money.
- @ChathamXC Sorry A T&F doesn't get all the glory in VA T&F. Division III doesn't make it on CBS for March Madness either. Life isn't fair. Toughen up there. Milestat still one of the top sites on the Milesplit Network!!!
- Unfortunately I have had to scale back my site's on-site coverage budget back this spring because I don't have the funds to afford it. I wish I could have had the money to pay for a videographer, photographer, and writer for all 3 meets...but I can't afford it. I'm not personally or independently wealthy or have another job or revenue stream to pay for site coverage in any other way than from subscriptions.
I have had difficulty finding anyone with ties to the Group A ranks to become a regular site contributor as far as photo or video. That is the major problem...if I found someone who attends the small school or Group A meet regularly whether it be an area photographer, parent or coach who is a decent photographer...then problem would be solved and I'd have someone to cover those meets. Finding good and reliable help is hard to find and then the next problem is having the revenue or funds to pay for that coverage, especially on a regular basis. I'm sure there were a lot of people with cameras and video recorders at the meet, it be great to have them share some of that footage on here which the site is setup for that.
Eastern Region folks might notice that Ryan Kelly wasn't shooting as many meets this spring for me...I wasn't getting enough subscriptions out of that area to justify paying him $150-$250/meet to shoot so I didn't schedule him to shoot as many meets this spring. Subscription sharing is catching up and putting a hurting on the site.
I'm still not certain what the future of the site and going to use the summertime break to figure out what to do next. Honestly looking like the site might be scaled back more and a transition personally for me into something else (not sure what) as far as work.
- Also with my new found faith and spiritual path I'm really to trying to observe the Sabbath Day and not work much if at all on Sundays, so expect more post-state meet coverage in terms of write-ups and interviews to come tomorrow and later this week as I literally did no work this past Sunday.
- I'm sorry but how can you expect more coverage for the A state meet? It gets a bit of coverage every year on the top performances, but usually even the best performances at the A meet wouldn't even have made all-state at the AAA state meet. Not in anyway trying to diminish those performances, but just look at them in perspective, the top meet gets the top coverage.
- All you have to do is look at one statistic:
National Elite performances
If you reported on all 3 of these meets, which one would you give the most coverage to?
- I actually did my homework, and he was the only person, male or female who would have won a state championship in AAA. I never said there weren't some strong performances but to get coverage there must be more depth.
Thanks Brandon for the comment i understand you point and its good to hear from you on this matter, as far as performances Tori McKenzie won the 100 and 200, yes she would not have won AAA but time did put her in the top 3, plus she would have won the 200 at the AA meet.
- I am a Single A coach and was wondering where everyone thinks they would get their information if not for Milestat. I have never meet Brandon or even seen him face to face at a Single A meet. But I don't need to. He provides a very valuable website with an extreme amount of information that I view everyday. I am so grateful for what he does and would hate to loose Milestat. Take a long look at the information on this website and ask yourself where you would get it if it were not for Milestat. By the way if I ever do see or meet Brandon I will shake his hand and thank him for what he does for Single A track and cross-county.
Brandon, I have said this before, but I still feel strongly that you should tie IP addresses to your subscriptions. Although an unpopular solution at first, I think we can mostly agree that generally speaking, users access milestat from one computer from a single place most of the time. There are certainly instances where people are on the go and access from multiple places, but if you consider giving price breaks for multiple subscriptions, this would circumvent some unpopularity. Registered users can also wait to access the site until they get home if they only want to purchase one subscription.
There are drawbacks, but again, I think we can agree that cutting down on illegal sharing and keeping the revenue flowing are positives that far out weight the negatives. If this saves content, then we need to be willing to step up to the plate.
Just my two cents.
- Look for a meet summary later today from the Group A Meet and several athlete spotlight articles on top performing individuals from Group A over the next 2 weeks.
- I am a single A runner and I appreciate all that is done to make this site what it is and totally understand AAA and AA have better performances to cover. However I disagree with the post saying that A doesn't have good athletes just less kids to choose from. Thank you Brandon for all you do for cross and track in VA!
- Everyone knows you have a smaller number of kids than AA or AAA. But facts are facts, and the best results get first priority on Milestat. Not that this is needed, but just take a look at the Boys 800, 1600, and 3200. Compare the three divisions:
Group AAA All-State
1. 1:51, 4:13, 9:05
2. 1:52, 4:14, 9:10
3. 1:53, 4:16, 9:10
4. 1:53, 4:17, 9:17
5. 1:55, 4:19, 9:18
6. 1:55, 4:19, 9:21
7. 1:55, 4:20, 9:23
8. 1:55, 4:20, 9:26
Group AA All-State
1. 1:54, 4:15, 9:25
2. 1:54, 4:16, 9:26
3. 1:55, 4:18, 9:28
4. 1:56, 4:19, 9:31
5. 1:56, 4:19, 9:43
6. 1:56, 4:20, 9:47
7. 1:57, 4:22, 9:48
8. 1:57, 4:25, 9:48
Group A All-State
1. 1:58, 4:22, 9:33
2. 2:00, 4:30, 9:46
3. 2:02, 4:34, 10:10
4. 2:03, 4:36, 10:11
5. 2:03, 4:36, 10:12
6. 2:03, 4:37, 10:13
7. 2:04, 4:38, 10:16
8. 2:04, 4:39, 10:21
As you can see, just by looking at these three events (you could look at more and see the same thing) shows the huge quality/depth difference in division A, AA, and AAA. The Group AAA mile could've been way faster if it didn't turn out to be a tactical race. Also, the Group AA two mile was down for some reason compared to past years (surprising considering 8:56 3200 runner Thomas Madden and a few other high-caliber athletes were in the race). Maybe it was a tactical race, I wouldn't know because I wasn't there. In other news, Group AAA Girls 3200 champion Sophie Chase beat 18 people in the Group A Boys race and would've come close to All-State honors in that race.
Also, this business about the Group A shot put/discus "ace" has really been grinding my gears. Yeah, this guy's definitely legit. But using this year's AAA results for the shot put/discus to compare with is not entirely accurate. This year was definitely a down year for the throws. Isaiah Simmons just graduated and he threw 65+ feet almost every year. He also threw the discus like 190+ feet. Not insulting this thrower from Group A, but when you make a comparison like that, I like to come out with some facts. Oh yeah, here's another fact for you: the Group A thrower broke the state meet record of 56 feet that stood since 1982. There have probably been more than 150 throwers who've thrown 56+ feet in AA and AAA combined in that 30 year period where 0 threw 56 feet in Group A.
Saying all of this, I think the answer to the original title of the thread talking about how Milestat "shafts" Group A is simply this:
If you want more coverage, perform at a higher level.
Milestat probably won't have a feature article on a 9:30 guy winning states when a Foot Locker finalist drops a 9:05 in his divison.
- The AA 3200 was down this year due to the cancellation of Day 1. The 3200 was supposed to be Friday night along with the 4x800 and the trials. However, the meet was prematurely postponed because of the weather. Unfortunately, this altered the plans / strategies of many distance runners who planned on doubling or tripling. Once the storm passed, it was perfect 3200m weather, and the record would have been broken by 2 or even 3 runners. I can't speak for the other runners, but Madden was just out to win it at that point. I believe this also affected how the mile was run as well. I wish they would have at least put the 3200m first thing in the morning. It's a shame some athletes had to dump the 800, and some coahes had to scratch the 4x800.
- @track_xc_01 you should do your homework better. Just because a lot of throwers n AAA can throw 56 doesn't mean jack And saying no one has thrown better than that in 30 yrs. is ridiculous. there have Been plenty to throw's better but they didn't on that day. Alot of A runners can compete in AA and AAA, Most recently Walker mogen,4:18, Brent Swiney 9:33, Hannah rose sub 11 3200m Not to mention Huffman in the throws. Sprinting is pretty equal Our best (A) can compete with AA and AAA. Now given the AA And AAA divisions go deeper but our best can still compete. A doesn't get the shaft they get what they earn. Brandon does a wonderful job with coverage of all divisions North to south east to west. For those who want more coverage they need to get more invovled instead of hiding behind a keyboard and complaining. Now back to performances. A had had some the best runners in state on different occasions, Ben veilluex, Megan marisco, Calvin talford, Julius Jones just a small list to say that yes we are small , yes we come from small schools but we can compete. Dont down grade our classification cause our standards or performances our lesser or not as fast we compete the same as the others and the best we can do. If you were to make us all one classification there would be a curve but overtime we would make it even. we are human's we adapt and we would if we were to merge. Look at Olympic marathon running Africa nations have dominated but over the last few years we as Americans have closed that gap. in 1996 there were only 10-12 sprinters to break the 10.05 barrier and 3 to go sub ten. But in 2008 all 8 in the finals were under 10.05 and six sub 10. and that is a 12 year period of change thats pretty quick in the 100m to get that many under that barrier. Roger bannister broke the 4 minute in the early 1900's ( too lazy to look it up) But now every olympic runner can do it not mention 25 college runners anf thats just the U.S. At the single level we are as good as we need to be if we were AA or AAA we could be just as good.
- Over the past 11 years or so that I've covered the sport, the throwers in Group A and AA have typically held their own or much smaller disparity in level of top performances against group AAA throwers than any other event in track & field. Something about those more rural parts of the state with those country boys and girls that seem to breed great throwers.
- We used to hear this all the time when I wrote for Virginia Preps. I ALWAYS gave single A just as much football coverage as AA and AAA. What people never seemed to realize was that most of the articles were being written by volunteers and volunteers seemed to come out of the woodwork for AAA and no one ever stepped up to cover single A (except me) and I taught and coached at AA and AAA schools during my decade there.
I once calculated exactly how many more students attend AAA schools state wide than A schools and it was an enormous number. Let's just say six times (I think its actually more than that) more kids go to AAA schools that A schools. On average, wouldn't you expect to have six times more kids in AAA obtain certain marks? This isn't a shot at single A...it's simple statistics. Wouldn't you expect AAA kids to end up with six times more scholarship offers?
I actually hold that being in single A schools you actually have a lot of advantages over the big schools...at least as an individual. To be all district, region or state is statistically much more likely if you're a single A athlete.
For instance, so of the schools in Northern Virginia have more students than whole class A districts. If you pick a kid at random from Oakton high school he or she is statistically less likely to even have made their basketball team than a random kid from the single A district is to be All-District. (For that matter the randomly chosen kid is also less likely to be valedictorian, class president or prom queen)
My daughter ran an invitational meet early in the season this year (she runs for a AAA school) and she finished in a virtual dead heat with a girl from a single A school. The people from the single A school were going crazy because the girls had qualified for states and my daughter came over screaming to me, "I qualified for states!" I had to break the news that she was still very far off of AAA qualifying time (and regional and district qualifying times for that matter). A similar thing happened at long jump (which I worked) where a single A kid qualified for states, but lost to kids in AA and AAA who didn't qualify.
I don't worry much about this. Sometimes a kid browses MileStat and will mention in practice that if he or she were in Region X then they could go to states. I always tell them that the tough competition will make them better and that in the end people don't really go around in their old age saying I was 5th place in the mile in high school. They tell people their time.
I always wonder how kids at Albemarle feel seeing the paper fall all over themselves about kids at AA and A schools advancing to states in individual sports when the Albemarle athletes actually have better performances, but couldn't make it in the tougher AAA.
So while I'm sure single A feels neglected by the sports websites, don't overlook some of your blessings. Sometimes being a big fish in a little pond is more fun than being an even bigger fish who's lost in the ocean.
I think if you're truly great in your event you get a lot of recognition on this website regardless of where your school is. If you don't get enough, pester your coach to make sure your performances get on here. It's hard to write about performances you don't know occured.
For the record, I've coached sports in A, AA and AAA and I loved coaching at all levels and I never thought once that one level was more prestigious than the other. Kids are kids and if I can help them do what they love I'm happy.
My facts are perfectly legitimate and they show that 9:33 wouldn't be a competitive time in the AAA meet. Or the AA meet on a normal year. I admire the kid from John Battle on his dramatic improvement, but AA/AAA are completely different ball games.
Also, Walker Mogen from Radford has become one of the best Group A distance runners I've ever seen. And he still has another year! He'll definitely break some records and win more titles before he's finished.
Just calm down a little bit. I'm not taking shots at Group A...there are great athletes within the division. Just a lot more doing the same thing at the higher divisions.
As I said, I think the Huffman kid is very good.
Which college is he looking to go to? I'd like to see how he does at the next level.
- @track_xc_01 I realize the difference between A AA and AAA but you need to get your facts straight before you talk. I have gone back to the AA state meet since 2001 and the results are not quite what you made them sound. I have put Brent Swiney who you trashed in the 3200m into the AA results below and he would have been All State 11/12 years with 2 State Championships
- @track_xc_01 Oh and while I'm doing this I will include the 1600 since 2001 with Walker Mogen and Brent Swineys results in the AA meet. You really needed to get your facts straight man not to mention the girls such as Katlyn Ayers and Hannah Rose which if I looked up would be similar.
1600m. Mogen-Swiney Finish
So in the AA 1600m lowly A would have been All State 22/24 possible with 6 State Championships 2 runners up and 2 bronze medals. So much for not being able to compete in AA on a good year...Good try man
The only thing you haven't mentioned is how these runners would fare in AAA. Good luck with that.
Get off your high horse...A may be able to compete with AA, but not with AAA. And only some runners from AA can compete with AAA.
Also, you're comparing many different years. You don't know what kind of race it was or who was in it on that day. As a former VA high school runner (in AAA, may I add), I remember looking back and saying, "Hey, I could've won states in '02 and '03!" A lot changes from year to year.
Another thing about AA: a lot of times the distance races end up being tactical. This happens WAY more than in AAA. From what I saw at AAA state meets when I ran, it was commonplace to see waves of sub-4:20 milers and sub-9:20 two milers come in. In XC, the quality and depth difference really shows up. I finished at the low-end of the top 15 @ AAA States my senior year, an accomplishment I was proud of. But then I looked at the other two divisions. I would've been top 5 in AA and won A by almost 45 seconds. HUGE difference.
Just look at the 3A Commonwealth District...it's almost as strong as the AA State Meet in most distance events, if not STRONGER in some cases.
You're on the wrong end of a bad argument.